HHO – not combustion & maybe not hydrogen

Returned this week from a conference at the University of Maryland co-sponsored by Tom Valone’s Integrity Research Institute.  Moray King, in photo, presented his potentially world-changing hypothesis — and new ideas for testing it.

You may have heard about water-as-fuel, or HHO, also known as “Brown’s Gas”, “hydroxy” etc. Engineer/author King has been tying together what is known about it. While hobbyists worldwide are doing water electrolysis to make that gas, a few university scientists are analyzing it. The energetic anomalies that happen when it’s used are well-known, such as a cool-to-touch welding torch flame that vaporizes tungsten and transmutes elements. Small amounts of the gas boost cars’ gasoline mileage, and we hear reports of a few generators running as “closed-loop” systems – even running 100 per cent on that unusual gas made in an electrolyzer powered only by the generator.

The skeptics may be right in saying that a hydrogen-based system couldn’t do what the experimenters are claiming. However, maybe hydrogen isn’t the source of excess energy, King says. Those scientific analyses indicate that the most energetically successful “HHO” gas contains hardly any hydrogen!

King’s new idea about the source of excess energy and how to maximize its flow was proposed at the 2011 Conference on Future Energy. In his paper “Water Electrolyzers and Zero-Point Energy”, he said the HHO community may have inadvertently discovered a surprisingly simple way to tap into the background energy found everywhere. Creating the maximum turbulence in water may be a way to tap it.

Most HHO investigators believe the energy output is from burning hydrogen. To the contrary, King suggests the dominant energy comes from “charged water gas clusters which activate and coherently trap zero-point energy.” Pre-conditioning the apparatus’ electrodes, smaller gaps between them, pulsing a certain electromagnetic waveform, and rapidly circulating or vibrating the water to make turbulence probably multiplies the creation of those clusters.

When both hobbyists and academics understand what seems to be a new form of water, they can design super-efficient water-as-fuel devices. King’s idea, invoking images of electrostatic-rubbing energizing droplets of water — think the dynamics in a thundercloud — may be the key.

Moray King has given his PowerPoint presentation to Sterling Allan to post on the PESwiki.com website. I see that as an exemplary sharing of information. Experimenters can read King’s suggestions and then try variations of their experiments. Maybe they won’t need any electrolyte. In a conversation after his talk, Moray said they might want to try using only a “smidgen” of electrolyte. Maybe try incorporating a mesh of fine copper wire into some new design for an electrolyzer. Feeding the water in from the bottom of the electrolyzer’s plates would improve the circulation of water, he says.
”You want the maximum turbulence.”

What has slowed progress in the water-fuel scene? “The problem is the belief that they’re making hydrogen,” King says. A change in thinking could result in “a stampede of garage inventors” creating useful technologies. If the universities don’t lead the charge, then at least they can follow – with the careful studies that will eventually give the academic seal of approval to a new body of science – and game-changing clean energy technologies.

Then the mainstream pundits can look up Moray King to find out the source of excess energy and learn that zero-point energy, or the background energy of the universe by whatever name is settled upon, is always with us. It’s even acknowledged in peer-reviewed physics journals but only in the cautious tunnel-vision limited way that doesn’t talk about doing serious work with it. It’s time to admit to the possibilities for replacing polluting fuels!



  1. MICHAEL R. HIMES says:

    I can verify the internally resonant clusters formation in Mooray King’s theory. However, until the vapor phase thermal barrier is reached and cavitation implosion generates dissociation of the molecules a ZPE will not be measurable.

    Rotary engines like the Micro-Combustion, Inc. entry offer one apparatus best suited for this method. I have a more energetic rotary engine design that goes one step further to 11B-p+H fusion in a closed loop hydraulic turbine. See Focus Fusion Forum under entries for “Crazy Fox”.

    Many have reservations about nuclear but considering it happens in nature and does not use fission fuel but NaBH4 (Sodium Borohydried) in water/oil hydrogel there is little to be concerned about.

  2. rompiglioni says:

    less talk and more action

  3. Nice article. I agree there seems to be anomalous reactions with this HHO gas that defy normal math. We have to argue with engineers constantly that our company is a scam because the math doesn’t work, yet our sales continue to skyrocket as our customers get results.
    I believe the math and formulas are not wrong- just incomplete.
    The gas has an electrical property to it that has shown up in some of our experiments during an accident or two…
    Also- there are papers showing that HHO gas has different properties than just trying to combine the separate gases of hydrogen and oxygen.
    I think the future will show that it is in fact a completely new form of energy that if completely understood, will become widely used.
    We are doing our part..

  4. John McManus says:

    I agree. there seems to something more than just splitting water going on & it needs investigation.
    I am trying a Urea cell using pee. Yes H4/2co
    this requires .39 volts to split.
    Seems to me this is a cheap way of making H gas.
    Cheers John McManus

  5. T. Navneet . A .Pandit says:

    I’m convinced by Moray King’s speculation however, the Radiant Energy explanation to the mechanism of entrapping the ZPE of the quantum Vacuum would be a better Philosophy.
    in my own opinion, HHO Researcher should stay focus with the King of Electrolyis : Stanley Meyer. if they are to understand the Key mechanism to Overunity.

  6. Homopolar standing electromagnetic waves are the way to go, because water is diamagnetic and pure h2o is highly dielectric and that are the best characteristics of water to be used in homopolar design which spins the water around between concentric electrodes and even best solution is to use homopolar principle to spin it out around equator of the homopolar hho cell and back in again at the poles of the cell geting all hho out before sending it back in at the poles :)

  7. Homopolar standing electromagnetic waves are even the way to go for fusion and fission making realy small stars between cocentric electrodes and force them not to fall on inner or outer cocentric electrode then heating them up to temperatures needed to achive fusion and fission of atoms, the rest is imaginable. If you thinking about gravity needed to achive just that let I calm you it is the homopolar electromagnetic standing waves principle that deals with it :)

  8. You can learn more about HHO and the people doing the research at http://hhoinformation.com .

  9. Sharkhunter says:

    Hello. I read this article with keen interest. My mechanic and I installed a twoo liter per minute hybrid unit on my 2002 Buick Regal, Series Two engine.I use NAOH as catalyst, drawing a steady twelve to fourteen amps. Mileage increased from 33 to 40 miles per gallon. I live up in Canada, where it gets pretty cold. I had no problem with the unit freezing in the cold. Granted, I have a heated garage, but even with the car being outdoors for two hours I’ve had no problem. Do they work? YOU BET, they do.

  10. Mir AJAZ Javed says:

    Use of HHO in combustion support to reduce fuel consumption in Boilers and Furnaces (Coal, GAS & other fuels)???

    Is it viable?
    Input : Out put ??

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